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 Post subject: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 30 Jul 2020 21:07 
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Came up to the boat last night to discover that our portside water tank is leaking. The cabin sole adjacent to the settee is soft. I have two problems.

1.) How do I go about accessing the portside tank so I can assess the damage and most likely replace the tank.

2.) How does one go about replacing the T & H and the soft underpayment?

Has anybody tackled this problem? Know a tank replacement?
Is this a DI Y or best left to the yard?

All comments and advice are welcome And greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Nick.
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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 30 Jul 2020 21:27 
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Location: Canyon Lake, TX
The board that holds the seat cushions in is screwed and plugged to the upright support. Cut the head off a drywall screw and chuck it into your drill. Drill out the plug and when the screw hits the head of the screw under the plug, the plug pops out.

Remove the screws holding the upright on and you will have access to the water tank.
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File comment: We cheated and used a Soni-Crafter to cut the screws holding the seat to the upright.

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If yours is like mine was, the leak was on the tank outlet on the aft end of the tank. My PO globbed it with sillycone and stopped the leak.
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What I did not get a picture of was the new opening we cut into the seat forward of the tank. We cut a lot of foam out and turned that dead space into storage. This is where the Admiral stores cleaning supplies and other chemicals.
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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020 08:29 
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Wayne,
Thanks for sharing.
This makes sense.
Did you replace your water tank?
If so, can you please share the vendor and tank model?
Also, can you share your thoughts, history with dealing with the cabin sole?

Thanks,
Nick.


 
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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020 21:52 
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Tank wasn't leaking anymore thanks to all the silicon that was installed. So we just replaced the uprights and left the tank alone.

I used www.marinesan.com when I replaced my holding tank. They have nine 30 gallon rectangular tanks in their catalog. You will have to measure the existing tank to get an match. But once you find a match, you can specify the placement of your fittings to match the existing tank.

The gentleman you see cutting the upright out is a master boat builder. He cleaned up the teak on the sole and had some white wood that he cut into thin strips to replace the holly. I sure as heck wouldn't have even tried to fix it myself.
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File comment: New strips installed. Clamps are repairs to the teak area.

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And I did run across some pictures of the new storage area forward of the tank.
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File comment: We did not remove all the foam in an effort to prevent the tank from moving. The hoses are the hot and cold water to the head. They were buried in the foam before.

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File comment: Cut out for the new hatch to the storage area under the settee. IIRC (and there's been a lot of rum since then) the opening is 8X12.

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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2020 10:23 
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Thanks Wayne for the follow up info and photos.
I think our cabin sole I s 1/4 thick x2 3/8” wide teak with 1/4” wide holly adhered to 3/4” underpayment.
I won’t know for sure until I open things up a bit.
I think the 30 gallon port side tanks were from Kracor model # 5060.

Kracor told me that they won’t sell directly to boat owners but thru Tartan. Ronco makes a similar tank # 470 and will sell directly.

Thanks again.
Nick.


 
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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 01 Aug 2020 21:57 
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Ronco B470 is an exact match, but no baffles. The tank is a pain to pull, but I was able to pull it out with only removing the top plywood. Cut glass in back against the hull and remove all the top screws. Remove front fiddle teak board. Lift top plywood and then cut away the foam. Replaced hoses and reinstall. Ronco B470 Water Tank. It's a exact match and is only 25gals. I ordered direct, you can use a made up marine service name or a friend's company name and you'll get the discount and can order. The lead time when I ordered was 7-10 day to ship, plus 5 to ship. I have weld repaired tanks before, and worked for 5 years. If you are tearing the boat up to get to it out, I would replace.

Get the wood dry and see how bad the damage is. I had subflooring damage by the mast, was able to save the veneer and replace the subfloor plywood.

Here is the fitting locations for the port.

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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 02 Aug 2020 12:44 
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Thanks Puffcard.
Great information!
How did you secure the new tank?
Did you use expanding foam?
Thanks again,
Nick.


 
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 Post subject: Re: Leaky Portside Water Tank& Soft Cabin Sole
PostPosted: 02 Aug 2020 13:28 
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Good to know - not just if the tank leaks... I have peeled veneer on the large panel that needs replacing. Nice to see it is not a major job pulling the panel. Also, an access to the space forward of the tank would be worth putting in for extra storage.

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